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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242114497" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242114497">(Jun 09 2021 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>So we need to<br>
0) find where we were supposed to report to T-libs<br>
1) tell them what we have been up to<br>
2) ask them whether they want a PR to rustc or an RFC draft posted first... or simultaneously? either one.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242148649" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242148649">(Jun 10 2021 at 00:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>What's a T-lib?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242149161" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242149161">(Jun 10 2021 at 01:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>libs team.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242155540" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242155540">(Jun 10 2021 at 03:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok. How do the reports help them and us?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242155831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242155831">(Jun 10 2021 at 03:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, <code>T-lib == Team libs</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242160010" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scottmcm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242160010">(Jun 10 2021 at 05:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>(It's referencing the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3AT-libs">T-libs</a> label on github.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242238330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242238330">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Nominally, T-libs are our """bosses""", this project exists by their will and nominally under their oversight, and will continue until it turns in all the relevant artifacts, after which those will be maintained by T-libs. <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/project-portable-simd/blob/master/CHARTER.md">https://github.com/rust-lang/project-portable-simd/blob/master/CHARTER.md</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242238467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242238467">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>reviewing our charter, though, if we take those as an "in order" thing, we actually already have an answer: the RFC comes dead last, prior to stabilization.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242238533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242238533">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>nonetheless, we should tell them what we're up to.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242238902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242238902">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>And by bosses, I really just mean we <strong>definitely</strong> don't ship to stable without their signoff.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242238951" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Caleb Zulawski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242238951">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, my understanding is we should draft an RFC but it only actually gets merged when we intend to stabilize.  We could always just open the PR for getting into nightly and see what happens <span aria-label="smiling devil" class="emoji emoji-1f608" role="img" title="smiling devil">:smiling_devil:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242239009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Caleb Zulawski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242239009">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>But agreed that we should be doing things "right" whatever that is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242239126" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jubilee <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242239126">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, part of the purpose of the "public performance" of reporting is to broadcast our status.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242239255" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Caleb Zulawski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242239255">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Since everyone involved is just volunteering their time it's more for the sake of the health of rust and making it easier for everyone involved and not so much process for the sake of process</p>



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<p>yeah.</p>



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<p>Which imo might just be a notification (to the world,not just the lib teams) that we have a good working prototype and are basically ready for inclusion in the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242239811" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Caleb Zulawski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242239811">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>Might be good to do everything in the nightly inclusion PR just so it's more accessible than some dark corner of zulip or markdown somewhere</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242239929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Caleb Zulawski <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242239929">(Jun 10 2021 at 17:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Though I am curious if we should actually be reporting regular status or not, in some sense our status has hardly changed in months unless we go into needlessly technical detail</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242253684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242253684">(Jun 10 2021 at 18:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>i mean if they're interested anyone can check the zulip stream</p>



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<p>It seems, reviewing what was said here and in the charter, we <strong><em>don't</em></strong> bother with an RFC just to get the lib into Nightly, does that seem right?</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="281757">@Jubilee</span> From a T-libs perspective, I don't think an RFC is even the ideal way to do a "check-in / design review"; an informal document and a conversation in a meeting seems preferable for that. And to get into nightly, a PR seems fine.</p>



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<p>That said, starting to <em>draft</em> an RFC seems like a really good idea, and a draft of that RFC might form part of a document that helps drive a check-in / design review meeting.</p>



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<p>But yeah, from a libs perspective, RFCs are for stabilization, nightly works via PRs and other documents and meetings.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242382339" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242382339">(Jun 11 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks for the input <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> - I'm a bit new to the RFC process. I'm guessing this is a good guide for RFC's <br>
<a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/rfcs/#rust-rfcs">https://rust-lang.github.io/rfcs/#rust-rfcs</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242382660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242382660">(Jun 11 2021 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>It is, but it's also worth noting that different teams use RFCs a little differently.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242382721" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242382721">(Jun 11 2021 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>For instance, lang and compiler have the MCP process as a way to start a conversation and work effort, while libs an cargo don't have that (but we've thought about introducing it).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242382793" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242382793">(Jun 11 2021 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>And lang tends to operate by "everything needs either an RFC or MCP", while libs doesn't mind doing nightly-only changes via PRs.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242390183" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242390183">(Jun 11 2021 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh neat, thanks for explaining.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242390412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242390412">(Jun 11 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, does this mean we have to update stuff?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242390423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Miguel Raz Guzmán Macedo <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242390423">(Jun 11 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/CryZe107/status/1403257533813362689">https://mobile.twitter.com/CryZe107/status/1403257533813362689</a></p>
<div class="inline-preview-twitter"><div class="twitter-tweet"><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/CryZe107/status/1403257533813362689"><img class="twitter-avatar" src="https://uploads.zulipusercontent.net/436d3393841a2bbd0ff402b3d460bee3857183a9/68747470733a2f2f7062732e7477696d672e636f6d2f70726f66696c655f696d616765732f333137373139363436342f64326563613838313837636130316362386435666165303033383265653537375f6e6f726d616c2e706e67"></a><p>WebAssembly SIMD Intrinsics just got stabilized in <a href="https://twitter.com/rustlang">@rustlang</a> :D

<a href="https://t.co/fG6fbL1jb3">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/86204</a></p><span>- CryZe (@CryZe107)</span></div></div>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting%20to%20T-libs%20and%20asking%20questions/near/242390577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> bjorn3 <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257879-project-portable-simd/topic/Reporting.20to.20T-libs.20and.20asking.20questions.html#242390577">(Jun 11 2021 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>stdsimd uses the platform independent simd_*intrinsics.</p>



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